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		<title>By: curate</title>
		<link>http://biblicalhorizons.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/john-davenant-and-calvinism/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>curate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, may I point out that the Scot was a Dean in the CoE?  James Ussher was Irish, but Anglo-Irish, and the Irish Church was a smaller version of the CoE.  While he was not technically English, he was an Anglican, and he spent the last part of his life in England, being buried in Westminster Abbey according to the BCP by special dispensation from Cromwell - and that in the time of the Commonwealth when the BCP was banned!

I am not sure that it right to draw a distinction between the King and the Church.  The King was the head of the church, and Parliament was its governing body. The delegation was not sent without the full participation of the Archbishop of Canterbury.

This was an English delegation, not a British one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, may I point out that the Scot was a Dean in the CoE?  James Ussher was Irish, but Anglo-Irish, and the Irish Church was a smaller version of the CoE.  While he was not technically English, he was an Anglican, and he spent the last part of his life in England, being buried in Westminster Abbey according to the BCP by special dispensation from Cromwell &#8211; and that in the time of the Commonwealth when the BCP was banned!</p>
<p>I am not sure that it right to draw a distinction between the King and the Church.  The King was the head of the church, and Parliament was its governing body. The delegation was not sent without the full participation of the Archbishop of Canterbury.</p>
<p>This was an English delegation, not a British one.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret McAtee</title>
		<link>http://biblicalhorizons.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/john-davenant-and-calvinism/#comment-345</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret McAtee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This debate as it manifested itself in Wales can be reviewed in,


Owen Thomas, tr John Aaron, The Atonement Controversy in Welsh Theological Literature and Debate, 1701-1841 (Edinburgh, 2002).

The book chronicles about as many different &#039;calvinistic&#039; versions of the extent of the Atonement as one could imagine. Interestingly enough, the debate then, like now, lead to huge fissures in the Denominational communities in which they took place.

Bret</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This debate as it manifested itself in Wales can be reviewed in,</p>
<p>Owen Thomas, tr John Aaron, The Atonement Controversy in Welsh Theological Literature and Debate, 1701-1841 (Edinburgh, 2002).</p>
<p>The book chronicles about as many different &#8216;calvinistic&#8217; versions of the extent of the Atonement as one could imagine. Interestingly enough, the debate then, like now, lead to huge fissures in the Denominational communities in which they took place.</p>
<p>Bret</p>
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		<title>By: Steven W</title>
		<link>http://biblicalhorizons.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/john-davenant-and-calvinism/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curate,

Thanks for the response.

I probably did interchange the terms English and British, however, it is the case that there was a Scot among them, Balancquall, and Davenant and Ward were friendly with Ussher, who of course was in Ireland.  I apologize if I made the mistake elsewhere, but the fellas that King James sent to Dort were indeed British.  I guess it is also important to note that they were delegates of the King and not the Church (specifically, that is.  Hard to separate the two at that time).  

As for the use of &quot;Calvinist,&quot; that&#039;s exactly what I want to challenge.  Wasn&#039;t Calvin &quot;Reformed and Catholic&quot;?  What about Zanchius?  Ursinus?  

I don&#039;t agree with limiting the use of &quot;Calvinist&quot; to hard-line Puritans, and even if you associate it with Dort, I attempted to broaden our understanding of that out in the previous post in these installments.  

Davenant was an Anglican.  He was the Bishop of Salisbury at the end of his life.  I&#039;m pretty sure he wore a white robe.

But his presentation in &lt;em&gt;Dissertation on the Death of Christ&lt;/em&gt; is that he falls in line with the Calvinistic branch of the Reformation, which is Catholic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curate,</p>
<p>Thanks for the response.</p>
<p>I probably did interchange the terms English and British, however, it is the case that there was a Scot among them, Balancquall, and Davenant and Ward were friendly with Ussher, who of course was in Ireland.  I apologize if I made the mistake elsewhere, but the fellas that King James sent to Dort were indeed British.  I guess it is also important to note that they were delegates of the King and not the Church (specifically, that is.  Hard to separate the two at that time).  </p>
<p>As for the use of &#8220;Calvinist,&#8221; that&#8217;s exactly what I want to challenge.  Wasn&#8217;t Calvin &#8220;Reformed and Catholic&#8221;?  What about Zanchius?  Ursinus?  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with limiting the use of &#8220;Calvinist&#8221; to hard-line Puritans, and even if you associate it with Dort, I attempted to broaden our understanding of that out in the previous post in these installments.  </p>
<p>Davenant was an Anglican.  He was the Bishop of Salisbury at the end of his life.  I&#8217;m pretty sure he wore a white robe.</p>
<p>But his presentation in <em>Dissertation on the Death of Christ</em> is that he falls in line with the Calvinistic branch of the Reformation, which is Catholic.</p>
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		<title>By: curate</title>
		<link>http://biblicalhorizons.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/john-davenant-and-calvinism/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>curate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven, thanks for the hard work.  I would like to comment on  two minute points.  The words British and English are not synonyms.  The British are the four peoples of the English, the Scots, the Welsh, and the Northern Irish.

To my ears if the delegation was British they represented all four peoples, not just England, which seems to have been the case.

Second, the English Reformation was not Calvinistic, but Reformed and Catholic.  Calvinism is associated with the Presbyterian Churches.  Having an English Reformed heritage I never call myself a Calvinist, just Reformed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven, thanks for the hard work.  I would like to comment on  two minute points.  The words British and English are not synonyms.  The British are the four peoples of the English, the Scots, the Welsh, and the Northern Irish.</p>
<p>To my ears if the delegation was British they represented all four peoples, not just England, which seems to have been the case.</p>
<p>Second, the English Reformation was not Calvinistic, but Reformed and Catholic.  Calvinism is associated with the Presbyterian Churches.  Having an English Reformed heritage I never call myself a Calvinist, just Reformed.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven W</title>
		<link>http://biblicalhorizons.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/john-davenant-and-calvinism/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops,

Sorry about that Pete.  I must have missed in when I transferred it over here.  I had some trouble initially, crashing the BH site and all...

It should be better now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops,</p>
<p>Sorry about that Pete.  I must have missed in when I transferred it over here.  I had some trouble initially, crashing the BH site and all&#8230;</p>
<p>It should be better now.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven,

If you indented the quotes as blockquotes, it would make following the argument of the article a lot easier.

Thanks.
Pete</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven,</p>
<p>If you indented the quotes as blockquotes, it would make following the argument of the article a lot easier.</p>
<p>Thanks.<br />
Pete</p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the projects I have set for my retiring years is to put Davenant in more accessible English for a wider audience. I think he needs to be read much more widely, and gracefully and carefully defends his points overall. Great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the projects I have set for my retiring years is to put Davenant in more accessible English for a wider audience. I think he needs to be read much more widely, and gracefully and carefully defends his points overall. Great article.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven W</title>
		<link>http://biblicalhorizons.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/john-davenant-and-calvinism/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the &lt;em&gt;other&lt;/em&gt; EPC.  

Our interpretations of how Davenant&#039;s theology should be classified are quite opposite, so hopefully what I&#039;ve written here will be of help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the <em>other</em> EPC.  </p>
<p>Our interpretations of how Davenant&#8217;s theology should be classified are quite opposite, so hopefully what I&#8217;ve written here will be of help.</p>
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		<title>By: rjs1</title>
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		<dc:creator>rjs1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;FYI:&lt;/strong&gt; The British Reformed Journal produced a few articles on Dordt:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.britishreformedfellowship.org.uk/articles/BRJ28/M.%20SHND%20ENGL%20DORDT.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The English Delegation to the Synod of Dordt
&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.britishreformedfellowship.org.uk/articles/BRJ28/PROF%20H.%20DORDT.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Synod of Dordt
&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.britishreformedfellowship.org.uk/articles/BRJ28/REV%20RH%20DORDT%20PASTRL.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Pastoral Character of the Canons of Dordt
&lt;/a&gt;

Hope they are of some interest to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>FYI:</strong> The British Reformed Journal produced a few articles on Dordt:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.britishreformedfellowship.org.uk/articles/BRJ28/M.%20SHND%20ENGL%20DORDT.pdf" rel="nofollow">The English Delegation to the Synod of Dordt<br />
</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.britishreformedfellowship.org.uk/articles/BRJ28/PROF%20H.%20DORDT.pdf" rel="nofollow">The Synod of Dordt<br />
</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.britishreformedfellowship.org.uk/articles/BRJ28/REV%20RH%20DORDT%20PASTRL.pdf" rel="nofollow">The Pastoral Character of the Canons of Dordt<br />
</a></p>
<p>Hope they are of some interest to you.</p>
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