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		<title>By: Sam Hoyle</title>
		<link>http://biblicalhorizons.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/fault-lines-and-earthquakes/#comment-800</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Hoyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are we making up the word &quot;deaconess&quot;? isn&#039;t the word &quot;deacon&quot; for both masculine or feminine in the Greek?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we making up the word &#8220;deaconess&#8221;? isn&#8217;t the word &#8220;deacon&#8221; for both masculine or feminine in the Greek?</p>
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		<title>By: pastordc</title>
		<link>http://biblicalhorizons.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/fault-lines-and-earthquakes/#comment-790</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

Thanks for your comments. I am hopeful that modern nuns do not exhaust the possibilities for the new expression of ancient roles for women in the service of Christ, the Church, and the Gospel. I think we need a fresh consideration of the Trinity, as well as the role of the Virgin Mary in redemptive history, to gain a better grasp of a theology of women for the Church. This would be free from the feminist theology agenda, rooted in Scripture, and the practice of the ancient catholic - ie, patristic - Church. 

I think there are a lot of folks in the PCA who are opposed to the idea of women deacons/deaconesses because they suspect (and I think rightly so) that the motivation for this issue lies more in seeking to placate the spirit of the age than pleasing God through obedience to Scripture. They are asking the right question of those anxious for a change. On the other hand, if the motivation for change was in fact the desire to search the Scriptures, learn from history, and seek to be faithful - even if that means changing drastically - there would be less of a distress signal going up. 

My fear is that, given the litigious way we PCAers go about things, we will have an environment in which constructive discussion cannot take place, and in which the younger, gifted leaders will simply go elsewhere, desiring to serve God in ways other than filing briefs for a presbytery trial or for the SJC. I am sympathetic to that concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. I am hopeful that modern nuns do not exhaust the possibilities for the new expression of ancient roles for women in the service of Christ, the Church, and the Gospel. I think we need a fresh consideration of the Trinity, as well as the role of the Virgin Mary in redemptive history, to gain a better grasp of a theology of women for the Church. This would be free from the feminist theology agenda, rooted in Scripture, and the practice of the ancient catholic &#8211; ie, patristic &#8211; Church. </p>
<p>I think there are a lot of folks in the PCA who are opposed to the idea of women deacons/deaconesses because they suspect (and I think rightly so) that the motivation for this issue lies more in seeking to placate the spirit of the age than pleasing God through obedience to Scripture. They are asking the right question of those anxious for a change. On the other hand, if the motivation for change was in fact the desire to search the Scriptures, learn from history, and seek to be faithful &#8211; even if that means changing drastically &#8211; there would be less of a distress signal going up. </p>
<p>My fear is that, given the litigious way we PCAers go about things, we will have an environment in which constructive discussion cannot take place, and in which the younger, gifted leaders will simply go elsewhere, desiring to serve God in ways other than filing briefs for a presbytery trial or for the SJC. I am sympathetic to that concern.</p>
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		<title>By: pastordc</title>
		<link>http://biblicalhorizons.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/fault-lines-and-earthquakes/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>pastordc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

Thanks for the correction on the blog. Yes, here&#039;s the proper postmillennial address -

www.bythissign.blogspot.com

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>Thanks for the correction on the blog. Yes, here&#8217;s the proper postmillennial address -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bythissign.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bythissign.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 19:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

First, thanks for the thoughts.  

Second, the link to your blog goes to a website about the coming pretribulational rapture.  I&#039;m sure that&#039;s not you! :)

Your &lt;i&gt;p&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;s&lt;/i&gt; are transposed in &#039;blogspot&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>First, thanks for the thoughts.  </p>
<p>Second, the link to your blog goes to a website about the coming pretribulational rapture.  I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s not you! :)</p>
<p>Your <i>p</i> and <i>s</i> are transposed in &#8216;blogspot&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: James B Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>James B Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 14:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I imagine you&#039;ll point out, deaconnesses (not lady deacons, but a different function) are something the HC/LR have in common with the EPM/UR group. Deaconnesses are all over the Bible, and all over church history. Nowadays they are called nuns, and often have to take special vows; but there&#039;s no need for us to take all of that over. Women served at the Tabernacle, at the Temple, served Jesus, and served in the early church. It is odd to me that there are people in the PCA who freak out over this, but I think you may be right that this is an issue that will finally split the PCA.

Also, I would dispute slightly your description of the NP Neo-Puritan group. I don&#039;t think they see themselves with the Reformation but with the so-called Second Reformation. The Reformation was liturgical, had a church year, was not afraid of bishops per se, and called for weekly communion. The Second Reformation was against those things. In the PCA it&#039;s a mixed bag, but on all those kinds of issues, including &quot;covenant of works&quot; language, the NP group is quite different from Calvin, Bucer, and the Reformation. The NP group is quite at home with Baptists, but not with Anglicans and Lutherans. The Swiss Reformers had the opposite set of affections.

The recent Federal Vision controversy was a fight launched by Second Reformation NP types against First Reformation Calvinists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I imagine you&#8217;ll point out, deaconnesses (not lady deacons, but a different function) are something the HC/LR have in common with the EPM/UR group. Deaconnesses are all over the Bible, and all over church history. Nowadays they are called nuns, and often have to take special vows; but there&#8217;s no need for us to take all of that over. Women served at the Tabernacle, at the Temple, served Jesus, and served in the early church. It is odd to me that there are people in the PCA who freak out over this, but I think you may be right that this is an issue that will finally split the PCA.</p>
<p>Also, I would dispute slightly your description of the NP Neo-Puritan group. I don&#8217;t think they see themselves with the Reformation but with the so-called Second Reformation. The Reformation was liturgical, had a church year, was not afraid of bishops per se, and called for weekly communion. The Second Reformation was against those things. In the PCA it&#8217;s a mixed bag, but on all those kinds of issues, including &#8220;covenant of works&#8221; language, the NP group is quite different from Calvin, Bucer, and the Reformation. The NP group is quite at home with Baptists, but not with Anglicans and Lutherans. The Swiss Reformers had the opposite set of affections.</p>
<p>The recent Federal Vision controversy was a fight launched by Second Reformation NP types against First Reformation Calvinists.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 14:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks David.  That helped a lot. Looking forward to the rest of the posts.

Peter Jones</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David.  That helped a lot. Looking forward to the rest of the posts.</p>
<p>Peter Jones</p>
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		<title>By: David Cassidy</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Cassidy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 23:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the brief sketch: David Cassidy, married to Toni since 1980, and dad to three: Sean, Claire, and Anna. Pastor of Redeemer Pres (PCA) in Austin, Texas. My own blog is at www.bythissign.blogspot.com and the church site is www.redeemerpres.org. I&#039;m the author of &#039;2000 Years in 2 Days&#039; (A Seminar introducing Church History to congregations), and &#039;Confessing the Faith - Meditations on the Nicene Creed&#039;. I grew up in Indiana, moved to Britain at 19 and served as a Pastor there after school; moved back to the US after 8 years, in 1987, and have been active in church-planting and pastoral leadership development for many years both in the US and abroad. And I love the Chicago Cubs. Oh well. I was originally in the (very terrific) Nashville Presbytery of the PCA (while we lived in KY and I served &#039;out of bounds&#039; as a Pastor there), and enjoy now serving in the South Texas Presbytery. We&#039;ve been in Austin since June 05. I hope that fills in the gap. Sorry, I didn&#039;t know the post would say &#039;pastordc&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the brief sketch: David Cassidy, married to Toni since 1980, and dad to three: Sean, Claire, and Anna. Pastor of Redeemer Pres (PCA) in Austin, Texas. My own blog is at <a href="http://www.bythissign.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bythissign.blogspot.com</a> and the church site is <a href="http://www.redeemerpres.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.redeemerpres.org</a>. I&#8217;m the author of &#8216;2000 Years in 2 Days&#8217; (A Seminar introducing Church History to congregations), and &#8216;Confessing the Faith &#8211; Meditations on the Nicene Creed&#8217;. I grew up in Indiana, moved to Britain at 19 and served as a Pastor there after school; moved back to the US after 8 years, in 1987, and have been active in church-planting and pastoral leadership development for many years both in the US and abroad. And I love the Chicago Cubs. Oh well. I was originally in the (very terrific) Nashville Presbytery of the PCA (while we lived in KY and I served &#8216;out of bounds&#8217; as a Pastor there), and enjoy now serving in the South Texas Presbytery. We&#8217;ve been in Austin since June 05. I hope that fills in the gap. Sorry, I didn&#8217;t know the post would say &#8216;pastordc&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gilleran</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Gilleran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those of us in the PCA need to answer the question of about sexuality before we get into the whole &quot; women in the church issue.&quot; The broad issue before the narrow one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of us in the PCA need to answer the question of about sexuality before we get into the whole &#8221; women in the church issue.&#8221; The broad issue before the narrow one.</p>
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		<title>By: docmarshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>docmarshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the inciteful post.  I have put a link on my page where I am bring all the female deacon deaconess info together for the PCA...

http://www.waysidechurch.org/femdeacs/blogs.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the inciteful post.  I have put a link on my page where I am bring all the female deacon deaconess info together for the PCA&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.waysidechurch.org/femdeacs/blogs.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.waysidechurch.org/femdeacs/blogs.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a former PCA ruling elder, currently pastoring a CRE church in Morgantown, WV. I thought it would be helpful if I knew who pastordc is? What is his background, etc. Nothing extensive, just a sketch would be nice. Thanks,

Peter Jones, Pastor

P.S. The article is helpful. I am looking forward to the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a former PCA ruling elder, currently pastoring a CRE church in Morgantown, WV. I thought it would be helpful if I knew who pastordc is? What is his background, etc. Nothing extensive, just a sketch would be nice. Thanks,</p>
<p>Peter Jones, Pastor</p>
<p>P.S. The article is helpful. I am looking forward to the others.</p>
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